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Pakistan post-Pervez


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News this morning of Musharraf's resignation.  Do democrats rejoice?  Do security experts tremble in their boots?

It's been a while since I followed Pakistani politics closely, but my understanding is that the only thing that united the opposition parties--traditional enemies--was their common hatred for Musharraf.  Now that he's gone, what's left holding the country together?  Anyone have insight?



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Correct: all the politicans

Correct: all the politicans had in common was a hate of Musharraf. They will now fall out in lumps, as per usual, and invite another army coup, as per usual.




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I know it's likely that

I know it's likely that we're in for yet another turn of the dreary wheel.  I'm just wondering whether the progress of Islamicization, especially in the Northwest, will affect the dynamic at all.  The whole political map just looks a lot messier than it did pre-Pervez. 




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Hobbes; Since there are

Hobbes;

Since there are no US troops in Pakistan, there is little interest for anyone on OD to comment.




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Just trying to look over

Just trying to look over the horizon a bit.

As for there not being any US troops, you're probably right (didn't we bomb them recently?).  On the other hand

[quote] The United States has provided Pakistan with $10.59 billion in military, economic and development aid since Sept. 11, 2001. [/quote]




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The dreary wheel spins

The dreary wheel spins faster. (NYT 8/20)

[quote] Political order in Pakistan frayed further on Tuesday, the day after President Pervez Musharraf resigned, raising questions about who in the deeply divided civilian government would be in charge and for how long.

The instant deterioration in relations within the government became evident when Nawaz Sharif,
the leader of one of the two major parties in the governing coalition,
the Pakistan Muslim League-N, walked out of a meeting here over the
restoration of the chief justice of the Supreme Court, who had been
dismissed by Mr. Musharraf [/quote]

Meanwhile, a Taliban-inspired suicide bombing in Waziristan leaves 31 Shi'a dead. 




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2 points for prescience,

2 points for prescience, OK? 

But collapse is the easy part; a harder question is, how long will we have to wait for the other boot to drop?  With Pervez forced from office, does the military still have the standing to stage the next coup?  With the Taliban on the move in the North West, how bad will things get nationally?

The India-Russia deal Candace mentioned elsewhere puts pressure on the Pakistani military to get right with the US; on the other hand, there is the little matter of the US mistakenly bombing Pakistani troops near Afghanistan.  A little more chaos in that part of the world--nuclear missiles, don't you know--may bring some high-level attention.  

A real mess. 

 




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I think there is a chance

I think there is a chance Pakistan might 'fragment' - the Pakistan Taliban have a strong foothold, the North-West tribal areas are not under the control of central government etc. Also you can't rely on the intelligence service to be 'loyal' to the state.

It was the educated Middle classes and the intelligencia who forced Musharaff from office. They may very well rue the day they did this, but we will see.

I do agree: Pakistan is a real mess. If the truth were known it is more of a menace to the West and all of us than Afganistan.   




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From Irfan Husain's

From Irfan Husain's interview at the Council on Foreign Relations (US):

[quote] The problem with the Pakistan government, especially with the army, is
our own people, especially in the tribal areas. The army has a huge
problem in motivating its troops, and they don't want to be in a
situation where troops refuse to fight. There have been some instances
where helicopter pilots have refused to fire because they are concerned
about collateral damage. You have to be able to demonize the enemy.
These people are considered Pakistani; they are not seen as villains.
They are seen as people who are fighting an occupying force in
Afghanistan. It's like sending the National Guard into South Dakota to
keep order. It's not a comfortable thing for soldiers to be doing. So
this is one concern. The other, of course, is that traditionally the
Pakistan government, through its intelligence services, has maintained
contact with the Taliban and has used them as proxies in the past. They
want to have assets in place in Afghanistan because the army’s
calculation is that the foreign troops will pull out of Afghanistan
sooner rather than later because they are going to be tired of taking
casualties there. [/quote]

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